10:18:07 From Neil Chue Hong : University of East Anglia 10:18:38 From Jessica : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy 10:19:21 From Neil Chue Hong : And the log for your perusal: http://di2.nu/foia/HARRY_READ_ME-30.html 10:19:36 From James Howison : thanks! 10:20:46 From Patrick Aerts : In NL, DANS and NLeSC (Netherlands eScience Center) are working on a document (route) and a portal to support it, for all scientists in NL that have the question "now I made this software, what do I do with it to preserve/share it and have it referenced". The goals is for DANS, NLeSC and any university faculties to have the very same answer (and route) to this question. Ths answer will involve the Research Software Directory by NLeSC, Gitbub, the Software Heritage Archive (SHA), Zenodo and so on. 10:22:19 From Jessica : That's great, Patrick - do you have a link that describes that program/work? 10:23:57 From Jessica : Very exciting developments - it would be great to know more about how Software Heritage fits into the suite of research software support services/options you described 10:24:58 From Neil Chue Hong : Some recommendations, which will be turned into training materials later this year: https://softdev4research.github.io/recommendations/ 10:28:18 From James Howison : My syllabus for a socio-technical class on peer production (I’m hoping to build some of this into Carpentries): https://jameshowison.github.io/peer_production_course/pp_syllabus.html 10:30:36 From Patrick Aerts : We are presently writing the project plan. It should be ready in a week or two. I could share the project description (if I'd know where to send it to, outside this Zoom-context) 10:31:42 From Jessica : Perfect - thank you, Patrick! I will follow up with you after the episode via email and anything you would like to share can go out to everyone 10:36:16 From Patrick Aerts : What about Agile and scrum, the hyped tools in ICT-industry? We produce software along those lines at NLeSC, including team sprints... 10:37:05 From plm : similar 'argument' in the sciences for not sharing data. 10:37:12 From Neil Chue Hong : Here’s another reason why people don’t share: https://www.software.ac.uk/blog/2016-10-06-haters-gonna-hate-why-you-shouldnt-be-ashamed-releasing-your-code 10:39:09 From Jessica : FLOSSmole: https://flossmole.org/ 10:40:55 From Jessica : Does anyone have examples of getting credit for informal sharing about your software practices? 10:40:55 From James Howison : Could you link to those practice papers? 10:40:59 From Patrick Aerts : Sharing and re-use will be stimulated if there is a well working crediting system. This requires metrics for level of interest, re-use and impact... 10:41:13 From Sandra : This is where it’s important to advocate with faculty associations for changes to ‘scholarly output’ in collective agreements. 10:42:05 From Daina Bouquin : Astronomy encouraging software papers that don’t need research results https://journals.aas.org/policy/software.html 10:42:58 From Alexander Roberts : Sharing and public engagement by researchers is a double edged sword. It's in the interests of the researchers to publish and seek engagement in order to attract further funding and raise their profile, but they are less inclined to share when others may benefit from their work... 10:44:10 From Veronica Ikeshoji-Orlati : Practice papers from the International Digital Curation Conference (http://www.dcc.ac.uk/events/international-digital-curation-conference-idcc) are published afterwards in the IJDC: http://www.ijdc.net/ 10:45:33 From Jessica : https://www.force11.org/group/software-citation-implementation-working-group 10:46:56 From Patrick Aerts : I see a role there for funding agencies. Software resulting from funded projects should be required open and shared. And who pays determines... 10:47:48 From Daina Bouquin : Software versions/authorship changes between versions/branches cause lots of confusion in astro. Need to develop norms. 10:49:02 From Jessica : http://citeas.org/about 10:49:04 From James Howison : citeas.org 10:49:22 From Patrick Aerts : Confusion is an easy escape. But we don't need to solve everything over night. Discussing all this we are already far in front of the troops.. 10:49:36 From stephanie.taylor : Also projects like British Library Labs - many examples but a selection here - http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2015/06/bl-labs-competition-winners-for-2015.html# - getting developers & researchers to work with digital collections 10:49:59 From Daina Bouquin : http://citeas.org/cite/http://yt-project.org 10:50:56 From James Howison : Actually works with citing datasets too, mostly by dereferencing DOIs to get the metadata. 10:52:01 From plm : challenge: persistence of cited objects (not just link rot) 10:52:28 From Neil Chue Hong : We’ll be running a workshop on software deposit, and how to help RDMs cope with this, in Oxford in July. Registration opening in just over a week. 10:52:47 From Jessica : Neil - is there a link available for that registration page? 10:52:52 From Neil Chue Hong : (Oxford, UK) 10:53:01 From Alexander Roberts : https://www.software.ac.uk/how-cite-and-describe-software 10:53:28 From Neil Chue Hong : Not yet - we’ll circulate when it’s up. 10:54:02 From Alexander Roberts : Brilliant links in the chat, is there any way to save the chat as a record other than just copying it? 10:54:25 From Sarah Middleton : Hi Alexander - we'll share the chat on the DPC and SPN webpages with the recordings! 10:54:37 From Sarah Middleton : with all these great references and links 10:55:13 From Alexander Roberts : Super, thanks 10:55:36 From James Howison : Come help build plugins for Data citation: https://github.com/Impactstory/citeas-api/ 10:56:59 From James Howison : That workshop sounds great, Neil. 10:57:09 From Patrick Aerts : Have to quit, Sorry. Best regards, all 10:57:16 From James Howison : Thanks Patrick! 10:57:30 From plm : suggestions for lobbying institutions for supporting infrastructure? 10:59:24 From James Howison : Some personal commitments “Pledges” that everyone can do: http://drops.dagstuhl.de/opus/volltexte/2017/7146/pdf/dagman-v006-i001-p001-16252.pdf 11:00:43 From Jessica : THANK YOU ALL! This was a fantastic discussion! 11:00:57 From Paul Wheatley : Thanks all! 11:01:11 From James Howison : hear, hear. 11:01:12 From Daina Bouquin : Thank you thank you! 11:01:23 From Neil Chue Hong : Thank you all for enriching the discussion! 11:01:33 From Veronica Ikeshoji-Orlati : I learned a lot - thanks, all! 11:01:49 From James Howison : Love to hear the humanities side of things, too often missing from the discussion. Thanks Veronica. 11:02:08 From Tom Ensom : Thanks everyone, super interesting!